"Phoenix Rising" <gramarye@att.not.here> wrote in message
news:3F1386EE.2020809@att.not.here...
> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 09:32:33 +1000, Petzl wrote:
> >
> >
> >>The second Iraq was found to be ignoring the UN it should of been
> >>invaded then
> >>
> >>
> >
> >But Israel should be allowed to continue thumbing its nose at
> >the UN.... is that correct?
> >
>
>     When the UN stops passing resolutions aimed at the ultimate
> dissolution of Israel, America might be more inclined to lean on them.

Like those resolutions that would leave (did leave) Iraq defenseless from
it's enemies?

>  No supranational organization can negate a sovereign nation's right to
> preserve its own security when it feels threatened.

Like they did with Iraq?

>  This is
> particularly true in practice, and academic communities are divided (to
> put it mildly) over whether it should be true in theory.

Are you a professional hypocrite?


>
> >It is so ironic that you mention the UN now... they did NOT
> >sanction the invasion and the murder of Iraqi civilians yet you
> >say that Iraq "thumbed its nose at the UN"..
> >
> >Perhaps the UN should invade the USA for "thumbing its nose" at
> >the UN and invading Iraq.....
> >
>
>     One of the reasons that so many Americans have become disillusioned
> with the UN is that they don't

Follow the U$$As orders without question?


> do much besides give ruthless dictators
> fat paychecks and an excuse to browbeat "the colonialist West" for more.
>  They hold no coercive power over any state with a military stronger
> than the Texas National Guard unless exerting such power is in the
> material interests of one of the powerful states that would be able to
> exert such coercion whether the UN existed or not.  If that changes,
> America's attitude toward the UN will change with it.

Or the MILLIONS of world citizens who have been abused, exploited,
tortured, maimed and had family murdered by the U$$A will once again
find a platry 22 brave dedicated men to bring another 9/11 style retribution
and karmic paypack upon the U$ ...?


-- 
US involvement in Foreign assassinations or attempts


1960 - General Abdul Karim Kassem, leader of Iraq
1961 - Francois Duvalier, leader of Haiti
1961 - Patrice Lumumba, Prime Minister of the Congo
1961 - General Rafael Trujillo, leader of Dominican Republic
1963 - Ngo Dinh Diem, President of South Vietnam
1960s - Fidel Castro, President of Cuba , numerous attempts
1960s - Raul Castro, brother of Fidel.
1965 - Francisco Caamano, Opposition leader, Dominican Republic
1965-6 - Charles de Gaulle, President of France
1967 - Ernesto Che Guevara, Cuban leader
1970 - Salvador Allende, President of Chile
1970 - General Rene Schneider, Commander of Chilean Army
1970s, 81 - General Omar Torrijos, leader of Panama
1972 - General Manuel Noriega, chief of Panama Intelligence
1975 - Mobutu Sese Seko, President of Zaire
1976 - Michael Manley, Prime Minister of Jamaica
1980-86 - Moammar Qaddafi, leader of Libya, numerous attempts
1982 - Ayatollah Khomeine, leader of Iran
1983 - General Ahmed Dlimi, Army commander of Morocco
1983 - Miguel d'Escoto, Foreign Minister of Nicaragua
1984 - All nine leaders of the Nicaraguan National Directorate
1985 - Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, Lebanon Shiite leader
1991 - Saddam Hussein, leader of Iraq
1998 - Osama bin Laden, former US trained "freedom fighter".
1999 - Slobodan Mlosevic, President of Yugoslavia
2001 - Osama bin Laden, al Qaida leader
2001 - Mullah Omar, religious leader of Taliban
2003 - Saddam Hussein and Family, Leader of Iraq


"Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just"
                - Thomas Jefferson Notes from Virginia


>
>     --Phoenix Rising
>