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> > > > > > > > > > Looks to me that the number 5 slot in the
1st test is
> > heading
> > > for
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > straight
> > > > > > > > > > choice between Anthony McGrath & Graham
Thorpe.
> > > >
> > > > --snip--
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'd pick both of them, and wouldn't play Giles.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Which would mean the team looking as follows:-
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Trescothick
> > > > > > > > > Vaughan
> > > > > > > > > Butcher
> > > > > > > > > Hussain (c)
> > > > > > > > > Thorpe
> > > > > > > > > Stewart
> > > > > > > > > McGrath
> > > > > > > > > Flintoff
> > > > > > > > > Johnson
> > > > > > > > > Gough
> > > > > > > > > Anderson
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > They'll never make a batsman of Flintoff if he goes
in at 8,
and
> > > > > they'll
> > > > > > > never make a Test bowler of
> > > > > > > > him if he's the 4th pace bowler.
> > > >
> > > > --snip--
> > > >
> > > > > > > I'd consider his role at number 8 to be a very
> > > > > > > important position, and he certainly wouldn't be a 4th seamer,
his
> > > > > bowling
> > > > > > > has come along amazingly well.
> > > > > > >He'd bowl a lot of overs in my book.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In your team, I'm sure he would, as he is the obvious stock
bowler
> > of
> > > the
> > > > > main four, although with
> > > > > > no spinner, all of them will probably have to bowl a lot of
overs if
> > > > > conditions are good for
> > > > > > batting.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vaughan, Butcher, and McGrath all are capable bowlers in 'my'
team.
> > > >
> > > > I think they'd struggle to control the runs on a flat pitch compared
to
> > a
> > > specialist spinner.
> > >
> > > Yes you're quite right, but Ashley Giles and the term 'specialist
spinner'
> > > can only be loosely connected at this point in his career.
> > >
> > Yes, but I think the SA series will be make or break time.  I know it
was
> > only a few overs, but I was pleased to see him being more attacking in
the
> > last ODI - maybe the penny's dropped.  As Atherton has said, he's a
better
> > bowler than he has shown recently.
>
> Surely he has just been bowling the way his captains have asked him to?
Tufnell was often used in
> the same defensive manner, but I doubt that it was the bowler's choice to
do so in either case.
> --
> David North

I don't know.  I thought I read somewhere that it was Tufnell's decision to
go over the wicket, but I may be wrong.

David