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Subject:Re: 'IT'S TOO EASY' Shooters' startling appeal
Date:Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:22:27 GMT
From:usual suspect <no@foot.rub>
Newsgroups:alt.animals,alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,alt.animals.rights.promotion,rec.birds,talk.politics.animals,uk.environment.conservation,uk.rec.birdwatching,scot.birds,uk.rec.natural-history
LoadOfSnotty wrote:
>>>We all care about civil liberties, 
>>
>>Lip service and duplicitous. You only care about civil liberties as they 
>>apply to some issues. You are quick on the trigger to want to reduce 
>>freedoms enjoyed by others because you don't like what they do. That's 
>>hardly a trait of a civil libertarian, but it IS the hallmark of a 
>>demagogue.
> 
> If you abuse civil liberties, you lose them. Pervert.

Who's abusing civil liberties? Exercising rights is not an abuse.

>>>but your so-called freedom to hunt isn't one of them.
>>
>>According to whom or what standard?
>>
>>
>>>Animal rights groups have worked very hard to
>>>ban it, 
>>
>>Meaning that it's already legal to hunt -- it may not be a codified 
>>right, but it transcends common law.
> 
> What about if it was legal to hunt dwarves called J Ball, would you
> still be so keen on protecting deviant rights Jon?

It has never been legal to hunt other human beings, you idiot.

>>>and the public are behind them, 
>>
>>Logical fallacy of appealing to popularity. As noted by another poster, 
>>urbanization is the cause of anti-hunt sentiment. Your artificial 
>>worldview is not the function of morality or any other lofty endeavor, 
>>but of an estrangement from nature.
>>
>>
>>>and those who continue to
>>>hunt after the ban will be breaking the law. 
>>
>>Are you willing to admit that right now the largest group of people 
>>breaking laws, at least with respect to hunting, are those who harass, 
>>intimidate, vandalize, and terrorize hunters and landowners?
>>
>>
>>>Your senseless cruelty is going to make you a criminal.
>>
>>One is not a criminal if he or she hunts before your radical legislation 
>>becomes law, right? Hunting is not cruelty. Living a sheltered, urban 
>>existence and forcing your own peculiar beliefs upon others in the 
>>country is quite cruel. It's called totalitarianism.
>>
>>
>>>Have you thought about that?
>>
>>Have you ever considered tolerance for your fellow man and for your 
>>fellow man's customs?
> 
> Deviancy and abuse do not require tolerance, they require a firm hand.

Which is why you and other ARAs will eventually be imprisoned for your 
terrorism.