In article <1118125482.145696.150770@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
 "Val Mirov" <val.mirov@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>  > But surely you meant a god or some other allegedly all powerful uber
> 
> > being.
> 
> Yes, but I'd stay away from expressions like "all powerful." What's
> that mean?But very powerful, yes.
> 
> > A shuttle yes. A plant, an animal, or a DNA molecule, no. The former we
> > know to be an artifact, the latter are the result of natural processes.
> 
> Both are artifacts. DNA carry instructions for building such molecular
> shuttles. When I refer to the example of a shuttle built by humans, I
> refer to its complexity as a machine. Cellular life is based on
> machines made of molecules. Molecular machines haul cargo from one
> place in cell to another along "highways" made of other molecules,
> while still others act as cables, ropes, and pulleys to hold the cell
> in shape. Machines turn cellular switches on and off, sometimes killing
> the cell or causing it to grow. And so forth. Thus the details of life
> are finely calibrated, and the machinery of life enourmously complex.
> You can explain to me how natural forces/random mutations explain
> molecular machines, which only work when fully assembled. Evolution
> only goes as far as explaining mutations in gene pool and other things,
> but I believe that it does not adequately explain molecular life.

You like anthropomorphisms don't you? The first organisms that could be 
called living were very simple and very much unlike what we see today. 
The elaborate cellular machinery which you described evolved by natural 
means over billions of years. 

There are still many unknowns in science today, but what science can't 
explain in three sentences or less using words of two syllables or less 
is not evidence for the supernatural.

What does ID/creationism explain? Nothing.
-- 
John Hachmann aa #1782

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
 -Voltaire