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> Beets me.  I haven't used them.  Based on the poor results I got from
> kodak's c-41 I wouldn't waste time with the others.  Besides, its a pain
to
> take film in to have it developed.  Much simpler to use real B&W film and
> develop at home.  My point was that kodak's c-41 seems geared toward the
> uneducated consumer and in that respect its a gimmick.  You might as well
> shoot color film and enlarge on B&W     paper.  You get the same results.
>
>

If providing a product that consumers can drop off at the local minilab is a
"gimmick" so be it.  And FWIW Ilford and Agfa versions do render
differently. But as to the contrast issues on Kodak's chromogenic films.
Yes, if you print on color paper, well lets say the densities are quite low.
Print on Grade 3 black and white paper, however, and it pops. The point of
shooting color and printing B/W is understood, but the "uneducated consumer"
may not think of such a thing.