Dear Satan, please refrain from crossposting to alt.philosophy.zen.

Thanks

"Satan" <boss@hell.org> wrote in message news:3F72D296.89A727D7@hell.org...
"Gileht.com" wrote:

> lol
>

Spelling error corrected for the benefit of the solipsists
and Mr. Andy G, who needs a lesson in welcoming
new friends to *his* Hell.

>
> "Mr. Hanky" <poo@christmas.org> a écrit dans le message de
> news:3F72D051.1D58C728@christmas.org...
> > Andy G wrote:
> >
> > > i didnt read your message because it was crossposted
> > > as a matter of course i do not read crossposted messages
> > >
> > > it just happens to be in 'my' NG because of your crossposting.
> > > if you look at the header, you will notice one group missing....
> >
> > Fuck you, you ignominious nugget of self-righteous whale shit.
> > I'll post whereever the Hell I wish. And every time one of you
> bitches
> > about it, I'll add another unrelated ng just for the Hell of it.
> >
> >
> > > "Satan" <boss@hell.org> wrote in message
> news:3F7219CF.D64AF206@hell.org...
> > > > Jonathan Jennings wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Ulrich Topf" <utopf@web.de> wrote
> > > >
> > > > > > Which some call raw sensation, non-mentation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, only 'wrong' people e.g. Tang (whose 'non-mentation'
> stuff is just
> > > a
> > > > > load of hogwash he has fabricated to fit with his
> physicalism at the
> > > expense
> > > > > of having to distort the dhamma when he goes through the
> motions of
> > > trying
> > > > > to square it with that).
> > > > >
> > > > > Jonathan
> > > >
> > > > ...and all these other <'wrong' people>:
> > > >
> > > > "Q: A little while ago you spoke of refraining from thinking
> (nien), but
> > > you did
> > > > not
> > > > finish your explanation.
> > > >
> > > > A: It means not fixing your mind upon anything, anywhere, but
> totally
> > > > withdrawing
> > > > it from the phenomena surrounding you, so that even the
> thought (szu) of
> > > seeking
> > > >
> > > > for something does not remain; it means that your mind,
> confronted by all
> > > the
> > > > forms composing your environment, remains placid and
> motionless. This
> > > > abstaining from all thought whatever is called REAL
> thought.... If you do
> > > not
> > > > employ the method of Sudden Illumination, you will be like a
> jackal
> > > following
> > > > and
> > > > imitating a lion but unable to become a lion even after
> hundreds and
> > > thousands
> > > > of
> > > > aeons."
> > > > -- Unremembered Chan source
> > > >
> > > > "It's not like that. When the mind is in a state of
> tranquility,
> > > > investigation occurs on its own. It's not thinking, 'This is
> > > > like this, that is like that'...But when the mind is
> concentrated,
> > > > there is no thinking; contemplation arises within
> tranquility."
> > > > -- Ajahn Chah
> > > >
> > > > "Stop, stop. Do not speak. The ultimate truth is not even to
> think.".
> > > > -- Amban - Mumonkan 49
> > > >
> > > > "Learned Audience, those who understand the way of
> > > > thoughtlessness will know everything, will have all
> > > > the experience all Buddhas have had, and attain Buddhahood."
> > > > -- Hui Neng
> > > >
> > > > "When our mind works freely without any hindrance
> > > > and is at liberty to come and go, we attain samadhi of
> > > > prajna, or liberation. Such a state is called the function
> > > > of  'thoughtlessness'. But to refrain from thinking of
> > > > anything, so that all thoughts are suppressed, is to
> > > > be Dharma-ridden* and this is an erroneous view."
> > > > -- Hui Neng
> > > >
> > > > * "stuck in the void" or attachment to jhana -
> > > > not really a view, but incomplete dharma.
> > > >
> > > >   "So thought breeds fear. I think about my losing a job or I
> might lose a
> > > job,
> > > > and
> > > > thought creates the fear. So thought always projects itself in
> time,
> > > because
> > > > thought is time. I think about the illness I have had and I do
> not like
> > > the
> > > > pain, and I
> > > > am frightened that the pain might return again. I have had an
> experience
> > > of
> > > > pain;
> > > > thinking about it and not wanting it create fear. Fear is very
> closely
> > > related
> > > > to
> > > > pleasure. Most of us are guided by pleasure. To us, like the
> animals,
> > > pleasure
> > > > is of
> > > > the highest importance, and pleasure is part of thought. By
> thinking about
> > > > something that has given me pleasure, that pleasure is
> increased. Isn't
> > > it? Have
> > > >
> > > > you not noticed all this? You have had an experience of
> pleasure - of a
> > > > beautiful
> > > > sunset or of sex - and you think about it. The thinking about
> it increases
> > > > pleasure,
> > > > as thinking about what you have had as pain brings fear. So
> thought
> > > creates
> > > > pleasure and fear. Doesn't it? So thought is responsible for
> the demand
> > > for, and
> > > > the
> > > > continuation of, pleasure; and thought is also responsible for
> engendering
> > > fear,
> > > >
> > > > bringing about fear. One sees this; this is an actual
> experimental fact.
> > > Then
> > > > one
> > > > asks oneself, "Is it possible not to think about pleasure or
> pain? Is it
> > > > possible to
> > > > think only when thought is demanded, but not otherwise?" Sir,
> when you
> > > function
> > > > in an office, when you are working at a job, thought is
> necessary;
> > > otherwise,
> > > > you
> > > > could not do anything. When you speak, when you write, when
> you talk, when
> > > you
> > > > go to the office, thought is necessary. There, it must
> function precisely,
> > > > impersonally. There, thought must not be guided by
> inclination, a
> > > tendency.
> > > > There,
> > > > thought is necessary. But is thought necessary in any other
> field of
> > > action?
> > > > Please
> > > > follow this. For us thought is very important; that is the
> only
> > > instrument we
> > > > have.
> > > > Thought is the response of memory which has been accumulated
> through
> > > > experience, through knowledge, through tradition; and memory
> is the result
> > > of
> > > > time, inherited from the animal. And with this background we
> react. This
> > > > reaction is
> > > > thinking. Thought is essential at certain levels. But when
> thought
> > > projects
> > > > itself as
> > > > the future and the past psychologically, then thought creates
> fear as well
> > > as
> > > > pleasure; and in this process the mind is made dull and,
> therefore,
> > > inaction is
> > > > inevitable. Sir, fear, as we said, is brought about by
> thought - thinking
> > > about
> > > > losing
> > > > my job, thinking my wife might run away with somebody,
> thinking about
> > > death,
> > > > thinking about what has been, and so on. Can thought stop
> thinking about
> > > the
> > > > past
> > > > psychologically, self-protectively, or about the future?"
> > > > -- J.Krishnamurti
> > > >
> > > > "Now, to go beyond, to transcend all that, requires tremendous
> attention.
> > > This
> > > > total
> > > > attention, in which there is no choice, no sense of becoming,
> of changing,
> > > > altering,
> > > > wholly frees the mind from the process of self-consciousness;
> there is
> > > then no
> > > > experiencer who is accumulating, and it is only then that the
> mind can be
> > > truly
> > > > said to be free from sorrow. It is accumulation that is the
> cause of
> > > sorrow. We
> > > > do
> > > > not die to everything from day to day; we do not die to the
> innumerable
> > > > traditions,
> > > >  to the family, to our own experiences, to our own desire to
> hurt another.
> > > One
> > > > has
> > > > to die to all that from moment to moment, to that vast
> accumulative
> > > memory, and
> > > > only then the mind is free from the self, which is the entity
> of
> > > accumulation."
> > > > --J.Krishnamurti
> > > >
> > > > Nirvana (cessation of suffering) = "being before thought",
> > > > "just being, empty (of self and what belongs to self)". That's
> > > > all there is to buddhist "enlightenment", "awakening",
> > > > "understanding", etc, etc.
> > > >
> > > > All the rest of "Buddhism" is nothing but mounds of
> > > > cake-icing that children like to lick off their fingers or
> > > > use to decorate their own "spiritual" mud-pies.
> >