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First  check out what felix_unger said:
 

> 
> On 28-July-2014 5:14 AM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:
> > On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 11:37:32 -0700, Checkmate <LunaticFringe@The.Edge>
> > wrote:
> >> First check out what Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. said:
> >>> The Checkmate bleated . . .
> >> Again, you proudly display your ignorance as if it were a record-
> >> breaking turd.  "Taking a stance" is only admirable if you're capable of
> >> demonstrating a credible reason for taking it.  Atheists look at the
> >> world in all it's complexity, and assume that life developed out of a
> >> mind-boggling number of fortuitous events that brought miraculous order
> >> out of chaos, when the universal norm is for order to deteriorate into
> >> disorder (IE: entropy).
> > Good start!
> >
> >> Those who believe in (place your favorite fairy tale "religion" here),
> >> are convinced that life was instantly created by a magic Sky Daddy out
> >> of clay, or a rib, or some other such mythical nonsense, when scientific
> >> evidence clearly shows that not to be the case.
> > Wrong!  Again you insist on reading the Bible literally. You refuse
> > to believe that the Bible is easily reconcilable with science provided
> > it is considered allegory in many instances where it is obviously
> > allegory and story telling to the illiterates of the day.
> >
> >> The Ancients had an excuse... they were ignorant and mostly uneducated.
> >> The ones who were responsible for promoting and exploiting the myths
> >> were the ones who quickly figured out that it was the easiest way to
> >> control the ignorant and gullible herds (Constantine et al).
> > You are cynic. You assume control while education and enlightenment
> > was the real reason. You think evil thoughts because Satan holds
> > sway in your world.
> >
> >> I've asked you this before, and you've always failed to answer it:  If
> >> you had been born into a culture that espoused a different religion,
> >> such as Islam or Hinduism for example, would you have ever held the
> >> Christian beliefs that you're so convinced are "The Way" today?
> > The answer to that is "I don't know?" I haven't answered heretofore
> > for precisely that reason - your question is stupid and you know it.
> 
> It's not. you're dodging the question. ppl will believe as they are 
> taught and raised to believe, unless or until they come to believe 
> differently for whatever reason
> 
> >
> >> Are all
> >> the children who grow up in those cultures and embrace what they were
> >> told, doomed to burn eternally in your mythical hell?  What kind of God
> >> would will that upon his creations?
> > My God created mankind with a mind that can make choices.
> 
> the only choice Christianity offers is believe or be dammed.
> 
> > A mind that
> > is easily educated. My God expects me to use that mind to make
> > sensible choices between good and evil. Islam, for example is evil
> > as evidenced by their beheading people who won't believe as they do.
> 
> Islam is a cancer on the modern world
> 
> >> As an agnostic, I believe there very well could be a God of some sort.
> >> It's no more of a stretch to accept that a God COULD exist, than it is
> >> to accept that the universe we live in DOES exist.  The conundrum lies
> >> in trying to explain where either came from in the first place.
> > You are so stupid! You claim to be agnostic yet you don't even
> > understand the definition of agnostic. Here:
> >
> > ag·nos·tic
> > ag'nästik
> > noun
> > 1.
> > a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the
> > existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena;
> > a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.
> > synonyms: skeptic, doubter, doubting Thomas, cynic;
> >
> > So, if you understood the definition of agnostic you would realize
> > you are NOT one because you say, "As an agnostic, I believe there very
> > well could be a God of some sort."  That is NOT being an agnostic,
> > dude! If there could very well be a god then that belies the agnostic
> > belief that the existence of a god is not knowable.
> 
> what part of "a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God" 
> did you not understand? very few definitions mean just one thing only. I 
> have had great difficulty convincing atheists to accept this regarding 
> the definition of evidence, and generally they stubbornly refuse to 
> accept evidence means anything other than something that proves 
> something else. but I digress.. agnosticism is commonly understood to 
> mean neither belief in the existence of God, or a belief that God does 
> not exist. someone who believes there may be a God is what we refer to 
> as agnostic. if we don't 'know' God exists and we don't 'know' God 
> doesn't exist (and how can we know anyway?), then how can we believe 
> with any certainty either way? all we can do is put our faith in one 
> belief or the other, or adopt the sensible and rational approach and 
> believe there may be a God or not.
> 
> >> Evolutionary science doesn't disprove the existence of a God, it just
> >> contradicts the ludicrous claims as to the methodology that a God may
> >> have used to create life as we presently know it.
> > Again, dude, think *allegory*!  Only stupid-assed *fundies* take
> > the Bible literally.
> >
> >> As a Christian, your set of beliefs has been shown to be based entirely
> >> on anecdotal "evidence" and stories that smack of mythology.  In this
> >> era of scientific enlightenment, it boggles my mind to see so many
> >> otherwise-intelligent people such as yourself, still clinging to such
> >> antiquated and tenuous arguments.
> > If you refuse to read, C.S. Lewis' "Mere Christianity" then STFU as
> > you are too ignorant to make the aforementioned claims. Just persist
> > in your ignorance of the scientific viewpoint of Christianity as it
> > seems to make you comfortable in your abject and hopeless ignorance.
> >
> >> Personally, I believe that there probably is a Creator.  I prefer that
> >> term over "God," because the term God means many different things to
> >> many different people.  As an agnostic, I can't assign any specific
> >> attributes to define who... or even what this Creator might be, and this
> >> is where I take great exception to any religion that claims to "know"
> >> such a Creator, or what this Creator might "want" from us.
> > Semantic! I, too, am comfortable with *Creator* or *Father*.
> >
> >> People fear death, yet they know it's inevitable.  They want desperately
> >> to believe in a "heaven," where they'll go and live happily ever after.
> >> It's a comforting concept, but not supported the slightest bit by
> >> present knowledge or reason.
> >>
> >> To those who claim they "know" there's a God/Creator, as well as those
> >> who claim they "know" there isn't, I'd suggest that the methodology that
> >> brought you to that conclusion is flawed.
> > Faith, my man, faith. God created us to be able to embrace faith.
> >

I knew there HAD to be somebody else out there who "gets it".

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