Checkmate, DoW #1 wrote:
> In article <8qheal.gq9.17.1@news.alt.net>, Kitty@meow.mix says...
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>> "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> wrote:
>> 
>>> IF there's a Creator... and there may very well be, there is no
>>> particular religion that has the key to "heaven," which I highly
>>> doubt exists in any case.
>> 
>> Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no
>> one comes to the Father but through Me. -John14:6
> 
> Jesus ALLEGEDLY said to him, and who's to say it was anything more
> than 
> the ramblings of a delusional man, or someone intent on deceiving or
> manipulating, even if he DID say it?
> 
> 
>> So the above shows me which "religions" are the true ones.
>> 
>> 
>>> Most successful religions claim that you have to
>>> subscribe to their beliefs to be "saved".  Obviously, they can't
>>> all be right, so what makes you so convinced that the christian
>>> religion is The Way?
>> 
>> I agree that it's confusing, and I hold more of a Biblical view, not
>> some church's laws.  The bible promises that if we seek with our
>> whole heart, we will find Him.
> 
> That's such an ambiguous statement, though.  If you don't "find" him,
> the simple explanation is always going to be that it's YOUR fault,
> because you didn't seek hard enough.  If someone truly believes that
> he 
> can be found by the proper sort of seeking, there's the peer pressure
> to just tell people that you finally "found" him, even if you're
> simply 
> trying to convince yourself or them that you did.
> 
> 
> 
>>> If you had been born and raised in another part of the world, where
>>> christianity is not popular, you'd undoubtedly have an entire
>>> different set of beliefs, and you'd be just as convinced that
>>> islam, or hindu, or whatever was what your god wanted you to
>>> believe.  Are any of those people more right or wrong than you and
>>> your beliefs? 
>> 
>> I can see how they would have a certain set of beliefs, but I also
>> know that many Muslims, etc. have been saved, when they seek out the
>> truth. 
> 
> Meaning what... that they converted to christianity?  That's just
> trading one set of unprovable beliefs for another., but if you had
> been 
> born and raised as a muslim, and never "discovered" that those beliefs
> were wrong, and christianity was allegedly right, would God still
> welcome you into heaven, or would he say "Too bad... you lived a
> righteous life, but you didn't learn and believe that the only way to
> heaven was through Jesus Christ, so you have to burn in hell for
> eternity?  Do you see the dilemma with your logic?
> 
> 
>>> Anyone who claims to know "What God Wants," is a liar, a fool, or
>>> both. 
>> 
>> I only know what God wants when I read the Bible.  Sometimes we
>> don't know what he wants until the time comes.
> 
> The bible was written and compiled by mere mortals who claimed to know
> what God wants.  It wasn't written or endorsed by any god.
> 
> 
>>> If we're to be judged by a Creator upon our death, I firmly believe
>>> that we'll be judged by the way we lived, and not by what religion
>>> we subscribed to... or if we ever chose to subscribe to any of them.
>> 
>> You really should check out the book "The New Evidence that Demands a
>> Verdict" written by Josh McDowell. (Volume 1 & 2)
>>  It answers all of the questions you asked.  Written by a man that
>> was hell bent on proving that it was all a farce.
> 
> I read that years ago, and thought it was bullshit.

yea but you're a non com poop