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Subject:Re: Do you know anyone who does real work?
Date:Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:14:48 -0800
From:Joni Rathbun <jrathbun@orednet.org>
Newsgroups:alt.california,alt.culture.australia,alt.education,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.europe,alt.politics.usa,soc.culture.canada

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003, Jason Gallas wrote:

>
> "Gray Shockley" <gray-87a@cybercoffee.org> wrote in message
> news:0001HW.BC17648E0002C68614507C70@news.giganews.com...
> > On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 16:23:04 -0600, Jason Gallas wrote
> > (in message <R2nIb.37354$3K1.4414@fe08.private.usenetserver.com>):
> >
> > >
> > > "Joni Rathbun" <jrathbun@orednet.org> wrote in message
> > > news:Pine.LNX.4.44.0312301356150.455-100000@lab.oregonvos.net...
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, 30 Dec 2003, Jason Gallas wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> "Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
> > >>> news:5up1vvkmcev03cqt4vis2a4us32ni5oah0@4ax.com...
> > >>>> "Jason Gallas" <jgallas@usa.nospam.net> wrote:
> > >>>>> You can attack the sources all you want. The point is both time
and
> > >>> funding
> > >>>>> are being diverted to make 'culturally sensitive' students in
> schools
> > >>> rather
> > >>>>> than concentrating on making them into more successful doctors,
> > > lawyers,
> > >>>>> carpenters, engineers and managers.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> But that is a different claim than saying that schools care focus
> more
> > >>>> about "same sex marriage" than about learning to read and write.
> > >>>
> > >>> The topic of same sex marriage does not fit into the academic needs of
> > > the
> > >>> students and therefore should not be taught at all.  Teaching that it
> is
> > > ok
> > >>> or good is the same as teaching that it is not ok and bad (religion in
> > >>> schools).  It could be argued that promoting same sex marriage is in
> and
> > > of
> > >>> itself a belief system (counter to christianity) and therefore
> something
> > >>> that should be left out of schools.
> > >>>
> > >>> It
> > >>>> is important for our society that people accept that other people
are
> > >>>> different, and that is what "cultural sensitivity" is about.
> > >>>
> > >>> Yes and No.  It is important for people to know other cultures but
> being
> > >>> sensitive to them is a choice of each individual not something that
> > > should
> > >>> be indoctrinated in schools.  It would be nice that everyone loved
> > > everyone
> > >>> else but that is a eutopia.
> > >>>
> > >>> One
> > >>>> cannot be a good doctor, lawyer, or manager without loads of cultural
> > >>>> sensitivity.
> > >>>
> > >>> Depends.  If you are in an area where everyone else is the same race
> as
> > > you
> > >>> are then why is this important?  And more importantly, why should
> public
> > >>> funds be used for this purpose?
> > >>
> > >> Good gawd. Since when has culture been limited to race?
> > >
> > > Find one person of chinese culture or one person of japanese culture
> that
> > > isn't also of that race.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ROTFLMAO.
> >
> > Round goes to Joni on a KO.
>
> In what fantasy world is there anyone that is not of the Chinese race but of
> Chinese culture?  Same question for Japanese?

In what fantasy world does that even address the question asked let alone
provide some kind of evidence.

Now, who might be of the Chinese race but not of the Chinese culture?
Probably a few million Chinese-Americans who've been in the US for
several generations and been fully "assimilated" as you like to put it.

And name one person of the Japanese culture (assuming one can be "Of
a culture"), who isn't also Japanese that would be my good friend
Jon Dobs. Is he the only one?

There are probably a few hundred other examples. But that's irrelevant. I
asked... since when was culture LIMITED to race. You didn't answer.