"Chris" <vze235xx@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
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> "Baba Dadá" <ramdum7@inorbit.com> wrote in message
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> > "Chris" <vze235xx@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "Raymond O'Keeffe" <zenaroo@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > > news:75uLa.2834$p8.133510@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> > > > There are many who are skeptical about codes, such as the bible
code,
> > > > numbers added in various languages for words, and a recent code on
> > > > calculating the number of the beast.
> > > >
> > > > One has to realise that God knows all things... and has foreknown
all
> > > > things... these codes reveal that... the code does not get Glory...
> not
> > > the
> > > > authors... God gets all the Glory... The authors only discovered
what
> > was
> > > > already there...
> > > >
> > > > Like any tool, it is only a helper, nothing more and nothing less.
> These
> > > > tools are not gods, the are not idols, they are simply tools
provided
> by
> > > God
> > > > to help us find things which would help those who do require proof
to
> > > ponder
> > > > and turn to God...
> > > >
> > > > Others do not require these proofs...
> > > >
> > > > Confirmation is something which is desired and indeed is scriptural
> that
> > > all
> > > > things be confirmed with 2 or 3 witnesses. These codes are
> confirmation
> > of
> > > > the bible's links to God... these show that there was more than just
> men
> > > > writing the bible books (bible meaning a collection of books)...
> > > >
> > > > But for the life of me I can't understand why so many people who are
> > > > supposed to be believers shun these things... I guess its often the
> > > > fundamentalists who tend to be a bit overboard on things at times...
> > > Indeed
> > > > Jesus was hated by the fundamentalists of His day, and it was them
who
> > > > sought to have Him killed and handed Him over to the Romans to do
it.
> > >
> > > Raymond, the reason why people reject this stuff is simple.
> > >
> > > I am a dummy.  The only way I can learn how to understand the Bible is
> by
> > > seeing how people in the Bible interpret the parts that had already
been
> > > written.  For example, when Jesus quotes Scripture He takes it as
> literal
> > > and binding.  Paul, with the wisdom given him, sees spiritual meaning
> > behind
> > > the things written.  By looking at the way all people in the Bible
> > > understand other parts of the Bible to which they refer, I am engaging
> in
> > > the science of exegesis.
> > >
> > > Additionally, I have to take the language and literary forms into
> account.
> > > For this, I turn to linguists, philologists, and the like.
> > >
> > > Furthermore I need to understand the historical context in which the
> Bible
> > > was written.  For this I turn to historians and contemporary
literature.
> > >
> > > When I do all of this, I find the following:
> > >
> > > 1.  No Biblical figure ever , ever, ever, attempted to use some sort
of
> > code
> > > deciphering to understand the Bible.
> > > 2.  There is not evidence provided by any competent translators for
the
> > > existence of any type of code.
> > > 3.  There is no historical tradition for any type of code-finding by
any
> > > culture in which the Bible as written, EXCEPT for pagans and cultists
> who
> > > use various forms of numerology.
> > >
> > > I'm not smarter than Jesus or Paul.  I can't use any method of
> > interpreting
> > > Scripture than they did.  I am smart enough not to be a pagan, though.
> > > Pagans and Gnostics did what you are doing, my friend.  Are you a
member
> > of
> > > the Valentinian cult? They did things similar to what you are doing.
> > >
> > > You will argue that your code stuff works.  The fact it, its
arbitrary,
> > and
> > > it works SOMETIMES.  Ouija boards work too.  So does witchcraft.  So
> does
> > > Kundalini Yoga.   What do all these things have in common, including
> your
> > > code stuff - they are all deceptions and are fundamentally evil.
> > >
> > > The fact is, you cannot find any Biblical mandate to justify your
> > practices.
> > > God taught us what we need to know about understanding the Bible
within
> > the
> > > Bible itself.  What He taught us does not include the stuff you dabble
> in.
> > > The only "christians" that ever did what you do were Gnostic cultists.
> > So...
> > > which cult do you follow?
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Jesus even spoke against them, saying they were the blind leading
the
> > > > blind... that they were searching the scriptures for eternal life
and
> > > > wouldnt recognise it if it spoke to them... (He is the eternal life
> > > answer).
> > > > That they kept the letter of the law but were dead to the spirit of
> the
> > > > law... that they hindered those who were entering into the kingdom
of
> > > heaven
> > > > by imposing hard things upon them.
> > > >
> > > > So consider that all these things, the numbers, the codes and so on,
> are
> > > > confirmations of there being a greater being... do not fight about
it,
> > or
> > > > damn them or whatever... just because you dont understand these
> things,
> > > does
> > > > not mean that someone else wont benefit from them...
> > > >
> > > > God is One... and is spirit.... all who come to Him must do so in
> Spirit
> > > and
> > > > in Truth... this is the communion He desires... this is true worship
> and
> > > > desire to be with Him...
> > > >
> > > > If one dedicates their life and their day to God, surely then, if
they
> > > obey
> > > > His commandments they are walking with Him, and their thoughts and
> > > > directions are guided by Him... so the works they do have His
> > Blessing...
> > > >
> > > > Surely if we argue against the truth... we are not doing Gods
will...
> > and
> > > > are even opposing Gods works from others... For each individual
joins
> > with
> > > > God in Spirit... and those who are too religious with doctrines of
> > men...
> > > > hinder themselves to join with God, and others as well...
> > > >
> > > > Palsm 82 says we are gods... Sons of God of the most High...
> > > > (If we deny that we are sons of God, we do not realise the truth....
> > > > those who walk by the spirit are sons of God...
> > > > Blessed be the peace makers they will be called sons of God)
> > > >
> > > > I am not perfect and I too stumble at times... and I have found
these
> > News
> > > > Groups tend to be the things which pull back into the bitching of
> > > mankind...
> > > > May God save me from such things, that I recognise it before it gets
> out
> > > of
> > > > hand.
> > > >
> > > > I wont bother replying to anything negative about this... for it is
> > > truth...
> > > > and if you have a problem with it... it is your problem.... God
loves
> > > > everyone... and hatred is not of God... Unity is of God... Join with
> Him
> > > and
> > > > be one with Him and you will please Him and be Blessed.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Love and Peace and Joy in the Holy Spirit
> > > >
> > > > One of a Great Multitude of Sons of God
> > > > Ray Michael O'Keeffe
> > > > A Watchman of the End
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > Chris,
> >
> > Allow my jumping in here for a brief comment, to which you needn't
> respond.
> > I agree with most of what you say to Mr. O'Keefe, though I'd still keep
an
> > open mind about biblecodes (though not Raymond's absurd calculations) as
I
> > wouldn't put anything past the power of God.
> > My purpose for jumping in though is to comment regarding your inclusion
of
> > kundalini as an evil deception. Witchcraft and ouija boards work
> sometimes,
> > but not with the same sort of energy that kundalini does.
> > Kundalini yoga when stripped of it's cultural/philosophic trappings, is
> like
> > its oriental counterpart Qi Gong (and acupuncture) a valid system of
> > exercises to develop and learn to manipulate a natural and God given
> energy
> > in order to heal/be healed and be healthy spiritually. I have known more
> > than one Christian (fundamentalist even) practitioner of kundalini (the
> > reference to snake energy coiled inside might be misleading), as well as
> > many Christian practitioners of martial arts who practice Qi Gong and
> > acupuncture.
> > Kundalini yoga has a relationship to ayurvedic medicine which is
> considered
> > a valid science in India, and Qi Gong is practiced by factory workers
and
> > others in China in order to make them more efficient, and is the basis
of
> > acupuncture and other forms of Chinese medicine.
> > Both of these "arts" are much like weight lifting or calisthenics (which
> can
> > also lead to spiritual development), though passive and not as
strenuous.
> If
> > the meditation aspect of kundalini alerts you, you've never meditated.
> > Quieting down the mind is a good idea when you want to hear the Lord.
> >
> > respectfully,
> >
> > baba
>
> I appreciate your comments, baba, but a Christian has no business
attempting
> to awaken a spiritual serpent living at the base of their spine, which I
> have been taught is the goal of kundalini yoga.
>
> Chris
>
Precisely what I thought was alienating you, the serpent is a metaphor, and
its not spiritual energy which is awakened, it is prana or chi, or orgone
which is systematically developed through exercise, enough to be directly
perceived such as when you pump up a muscle.The heart circulates blood and
you can feel it beating in your chest when you exercise, the organ and/or
chakra that generates this biocosmic energy is located at the base of the
spine and the build-up of energy feels like one would imagine a snake would
feel uncoiling inside.
The symbology would of course freak anyone used to the satan/serpent
relationship, but believe me, demons and kundalini are two different things.

However, anyone who takes up any kind of physical development, particularly
those that may affect the consciousness of the individual, is in danger of
falling into self worship and thus open the door to Legion. It depends on
intent and spiritual integrity.
With enough development one can heal others through direct manipulation of
their energy flow, if you fall into the trap of thinking its you doing the
healing rather than the Lord healing through you, you opened the door.

I disagree with you about whether a Christian has business developing his
chi.
Christians have business developing to their fullest potential in any and
all fields of honest endeavor not directly prohibited by scripture. Lets not
let Christianity become synonymous with mediocrity or lack of familiarity
breed narrow-mindedness.
God made the whole shebang, ouija boards can connect you to demons and
nasties, properly developed prana can help you fight the nasty demons.

respectful laters,

baba