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On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 02:47:08 GMT, Ben Schultz
<ben.schultz@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>Please see in text...
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>On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:10:02 -0700, john w <j-w<no>@yow.hoo> wrote:
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>>On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:03:16 GMT, Ben Schultz
>><ben.schultz@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this
>>can be used elsewhere without expressed written consent of the author.
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>>>Please see intext... 
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>>>On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 23:45:40 -0700, john w <j-w<no>@yow.hoo> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>I have to disagree with you both on this one. 
>>>>>
>>>>>First of all, a legitimate scientist could theoretically believe,
>>>>>right or wrong, that evolution is part of a divine plan. As such, he
>>>>>could, in theory, be a creationist and still accept the theory of
>>>>>evolution. 
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>>>>
>>>>You are STILL pushing the incorrect and very biased / bigoted notion
>>>>that no "real scientist" can believe in Special Creation.
>>>
>>>No, John, I am pushing the very real notion that evolution, no matter
>>>what you may personally believe or want to believe, is provable
>>>scientific fact. 
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>>AGAIN, you are talking at the wrong person. I worked in scientific
>>areas -- from developing the Space Station to working on remote
>>computers for DOD-- for some 20 years.
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>Working on a Space Station does not make you an paleantologist,
>biologist, geologist, or botanist. 
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>Apparenlty you didn't read the "appeal to Authority" page either. 

And you are so full of it you stink!

YOU can appeal to authority with "all REPUTABLE scientists believe in
Evolution!"

But if I say, "And I know half-a-dozen astronauts -- reputable
scientists ALL-- who believe in creation", that's "appealing to
authority!"

You want the cake and you want to eat it!

If it works for you, it works for me!


God bless!

john w


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>>And I encountered HUNDREDS of atheists who believed in evolution, and
>>DOZENS of Christian engineers who were equally skilled scientists
>>whose world view was totally opposite.
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>So you're saying the ration was 25:3 in favor of evolution?

Since when is truth decided by vote?

You already said that my appeal to scientists I know is a FALSE
"appeal to authority"; yet now YOU are using that EXACT "appeal to
authority."

The sheer HYPOCRISY!!!



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>>>
>>>You're the person who has painted this black and white notion of the
>>>world. But I'm the bigotted ass... Sure... 
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>>It truly doesn't matter to me what you think; so why would it matter
>>to you what I think?
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>I doesn't. I just enjoy watching you make an ass out of yourself. 
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>>God bless!
>>
>>john w
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>>snip
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>>>>I have worked with any number of scientists who would disagree.
>>>
>>>Wonderful, it's nice to know that someone who is cognitively
>>>challenged such as yourself can still manage to find gainful
>>>employment. And they said the economy was bad... 
>>
>>And with that insult, I will leave you. If you knew 1/10th what you
>>claim to know,you'd know that bi-polar disorder is frequently
>>DEGENERATIVE. I had MANY productive years before I became too ill to
>>work.
>>
>>And frankly, dude, I'll compare my paychecks during my productive
>>years to anybody's.
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>>>>
>>>>If you are saying that no scientist believes in Special Creation, you
>>>>not only exclude any number of astronauts (John Glenn, Jim Irwin, Gus
>>>>Grissom for three), you exclude men who worked on the A-bomb, one of
>>>>whom I knew (until his death a few years ago), you exclude as well
>>>>Doctors and nurses.
>>>
>>>This type of response is what is commonly refered to as an appeal to
>>>authority.
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>>And such an argument is useful with anyone BUT a closed-minded
>>atheist.
>>
>>It's just fine for YOU to say, "all REAL scientists are atheists and
>>evolutionists." If I flip the argument on you, "MANY scientists
>>believe in creation, it's suddenly "an appeal to authority."
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>>Is it or isn't it?
>>
>>You remind me of the moron I knew in high school who offered me a card
>>game, but the rules were that only HE could stop the betting.
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>>snip
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