Jabriol@excite.com (JaBrIoL) wrote in
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> "Zachriel" <angel@zachriel.com> wrote in message
> news:<usscb.13752$1V3.236782735@twister2.starband.net>... 
>> "Frank Reichenbacher" <frank@bio-con.com> wrote in message
>> news:_KucnZhxP7TNzO-iXTWc-g@speakeasy.net...
>> >
> 
>> > Sagan was an astronomer. Would you take your car to a hair dresser
>> > to fix 
>>  an
>> > oil leak?
>> 
>> Well, even a hair dresser shouldn't be quoted out-of-context. There's
>> a semi-colon after the phrase "Great Designer", not a period.
>> 
>> "The fossil evidence could be consistent with the idea of a Great
>> Designer; perhaps some species are destroyed when the Designer
>> becomes dissatisfied with them, and new experiments are attempted on
>> an improved design. But this notion is a little disconcerting. Each
>> plant and animal is exquisitely made; should not a supremely
>> competent Designer have been able to make the intended variety from
>> the start?" -- Cosmos 
>> 
>> Sagan is obviously making a rhetorical argument *against* the common
>> conceptions of a Great Designer in regards to biological evolution.
>> 
>> 
>> >
>> > Frank
>> 
> 
> 
> Sagan was falling into: "why did god not make everything perfect"

Actually, Sagan is wondering why an allegedly superior being did so 
badly.

It's the first question anyone claiming a diety is involved *should* be 
asking, but never does.

> he forget about tools used by a designer.

A human designer, yes. But the ID community claims life is beyond the 
means of a human designer. And evolution. All the while not offering any 
mechanism aside from magic to "explain" the "problems" only IDers 
perceive.

Do you get dizzy, whirling around your ad-hoc justifications and special 
pleading, Jabbers?

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