"Vitruvian" <vitruvian@globalfrequency.org> wrote in message
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> > > Yes, they do make up their own moral systems, eventually. Until then,
> > > they are taught what is right or wrong by their parents, schools,
> > > society at large.
> >
> > Wrong... if  parents teach their kids about morals from a religious
point of
> > view, the school system will teach them, that their belifs are based on
> > superstious sheepherders.
> >
> > in the end kids  will pick and choose, when I was going to school a
pregnant
> > teen was removed from school and sent to night school. It was
embarrasement
> > to the family and the school, and the communitty. Now pregnant teens
wear
> > their swollen bellies with pride, and the school can't touch them..
>
> Hey, I didn't say the values taught by the school or society at large
> would necessarily agree with *yours*, now did I? I still see
> kindergarten and day care teaching values like not fighting, not
> saying mean or hurtful things, sharing, being fair in games and play,
> and cooperation, though the extent to which they are successful in
> inculcating these values of course varies.
>
> >
all done to avoid lawsuits..


> > >The point you seem unable to grasp is that the
> > > teaching of evolution, or indeed any theory of origins, is neither
> > > necessary nor relevant to those morals. By the way, the moral
> > > teachings of religion have also been subject to change; are those
> > >without real value?
> >
> >
> > the way religion in general been carrying on lately.. most have no real
> > value at all.
>
> Perhaps you'd care to share your thoughts on what moral values have
> not been subject to change? By the way, do you eat shellfish or get
> your hair cut, or do you still follow the standards set forth in
> Leviticus?
>
> >
> > not really.. it is a fact. his inclinations were cultural, not morals..
it
> > was a family issue, in many cultures today it still is.
>
> So, he didn't have any moral beliefs?
>
> >
> > > Do you, personally, define what is right and wrong in terms of "might
> > > makes right" or using some other set of standards?
> >
> > does not everybody?
>
> Obviously not. Do *you* believe in might makes right as a general
> moral principle? Yes or no?


it works for bush...