"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:

> And so upon Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:07:15 -0500 didst Jim Phillips speak
> thusly:
>
> > On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, georgann wrote:
> >
> >> >>> I'm wondering why she uses the "(forgiven since 33 AD)" moniker if
Jesus
> >> >>> actually existed since the beginning of time as georgann has stated
over and
> >> >>> over.  She should change it to "(forgiven since the beginning of
time)" to
> >> >>> get rid of some unnecessary lamb-kabob, imo.
> >> >>>
> >> >> georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> My salvation was accomplished with the cross of Christ. Not the beginning
of
> >> >> time.
> >>
> >> "Elroy Willis" wrote:
> >>
> >> > But you were pre-determined to be saved before even then, since you're a
> >> > chosen one!
> >>
> >> georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
> >>
> >> God chooses those who "WILL" choose Him. He knew everything about the end
> >> before the beginning.
> >
> >       If the bible says that Judas both hanged himself and fell over
> > and burst open, which is correct?
>
> <apologetics mode ON!>
>
> Judas hung himself but the rope broke and he fell over and burst open!
>
> <apoplectic mode OFF!>

===>The whole story is an anti-Jewish MYTH about Judas,
who, in fact, was one of the brothers and closest confidant of Jesus,
instrumental in arranging for the confrontation Jesus wanted between
himself an the Roman military. Jesus and the Zealots expected that
YHWH would come to their aid, as appeared to have been promised
by the prophet Zechariah, whose book they followed as a script,
marching into Jerusalem on a donkey, chasing the merchants out of
the Temple, etc. The Gospel attributed to LUKE clearly describes
how Jesus ordered his men to arm themselves just before that
confrontation.
If you suspend belief in the Pauline doctrine of the imminent coming of
Christ with trumpets, etc. to take all believers into heaven, you will
get a glimpse at who and what the REAL YESHUA (Jesus) may have
been just by reading the pertinent passages in the Gospels.

        Libertarius
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