Subject: | Re: yeah, whatever
| Date: | Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:53:09 GMT
| From: | "Michael Legel" <mjlegel@mtco.com>
| Newsgroups: | alt.activism,alt.anarchism,alt.california,alt.coffee,alt.fan.noam-chomsky,alt.politics,alt.society.anarchy,alt.society.labor-unions,rec.food.drink.coffee
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"Stan de SD" <standesd_DIGA_NO_A_SPAM@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "Michael Legel" <mjlegel@mtco.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Stan de SD" <standesd_DIGA_NO_A_SPAM@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> > > "Michael Legel" <mjlegel@mtco.com> wrote in message
> > > news:b1e03de2f603e8e9c38796d1c7353b91@news.teranews.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Stan de SD" <standesd_DIGA_NO_A_SPAM@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:RlEDc.15366$w07.8110@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
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> > > > >
> > > > > You have right to sell and market your time and labor as you see
> fit,
> > > the
> > > > > right to get paid per any voluntary contract you enter into with
> your
> > > > > employer, and the right to leave and seek work elsewhere if you
> think
> > > you're
> > > > > getting a raw deal. That's as far as it goes, despite your wishful
> > > thinking
> > > > > otherwise...
> > > >
> > > > You have the right to spout this ignorant nonsense ... even the right
> to
> > > > believe it. But that doesn't make it so. Your ignorance regarding
> > > employee
> > > > "rights" and labor law is very profound. As I said before, you run
> the
> > > risk
> > > > of serious loss in a law suit if you treat employees in the manor you
> > > > describe.
> > >
> > > Point out anything above that is factually incorrect... if you can.
> Also,
> > > show us your sources substantiating your assertion that the workplace is
> a
> > > "democracy" before lecturing others about being "ignorant", OK?
> >
> > You say "that's as far as it goes" and you are wrong. I have the right to
> > belong to a union in my workplace. I have the right to have that union
> > negotiate in good faith with my employer and my employer must by law
> negotiate
> > with my union in good faith. I have the right to support my union both
> > verbally and in my attire both at work and away. I have the right to hold
> and
> > attend union meetings at my work place whether my employer likes it or
> not.
>
> You can have your union meetings off-site during your off hours...
>
I CAN and HAVE had union meetings on site. Although I was arrested for it
once, all charges were dropped. The law protects that right.
> > I have the right to strike for both economic and unfair labor practice.
>
> OK...
>
> > I can
> > not be permanently replaced or "fired" if I am striking against my
> employers
> > unfair labor practices.
>
> And there's where you're wrong.
No, that's where I am right. I have done it. I participated in a ULP strike
against Caterpillar for over a year and a half and they did not permanently
replace me. Again reality differs from your beliefs. It happens.
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