On 14 Jan 2004 18:10:16 -0800, travelling_goat@yahoo.com (Roberto)
wrote:

>Krisblake <bambinasangels@juno.com> wrote in message news:<06ga0012fkd15lmk5bb54cil335k1l6ais@4ax.com>...
>> On 13 Jan 2004 22:17:26 -0800, travelling_goat@yahoo.com (Roberto)
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >Lawrence E. McKnight <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net> wrote
in message news:<d0r000ddp44d3ieksrlg6659p1urjssqs6@4ax.com>...
>> >> On 10 Jan 2004 07:09:18 -0800, travelling_goat@yahoo.com (Roberto)
>> >> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >Lawrence E. McKnight <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net>
wrote in message news:<frluvvstcstkktfoi6m3ge78pk2sqlklj3@4ax.com>...
>> >> >> On 8 Jan 2004 22:41:16 -0800, travelling_goat@yahoo.com (Roberto)
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> >Lawrence E. McKnight <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net>
wrote in message news:<ksbpvvk5464c3h4nkdp2oi924soogvtmc0@4ax.com>...
>> >> >> >> On 6 Jan 2004 18:28:19 -0800, travelling_goat@yahoo.com
(Roberto)
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:<3FFB1605.C984AC6D@citlink.net>...
>> >> >> >> >> Roberto wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> >> > Me <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<srhi-FDDC38.18364305012004@comcast.ash.giganews.com>...
>> >> >> >> >> > > In article <7943568.0401042035.7d2109dd@posting.google.com>,
>> >> >> >> >> > >  rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B.
Winn) wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > > Jesus Christ will return the second
time and all of the wicked will be
>> >> >> >> >> > > > destroyed by fire.  That is the
way I would like to see it enforced.
>> >> >> >> >> > > > Robert B. Winn
>> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > That same claim has been made by many
others during the past two
>> >> >> >> >> > > millenia. You just keep waiting for your
mythical leader to arise.
>> >> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> >> > Robert,
>> >> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> >> > I'm a fellow Believer in Christ. I don't think
that non Believer can
>> >> >> >> >> > even begin to fathom who Christ is, if they
have not experienced Him
>> >> >> >> >> > in a personal way. To them, our Belief is
a psychosis brought about by
>> >> >> >> >> > deluded hope in mysticism.
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> Thanks for telling everyone who doesn't believe
in your god what they
>> >> >> >> >> think.
>> >> >> >> >>  
>> >> >> >> >> > However they haven't fully explored the facts
- purpose of His
>> >> >> >> >> > incarnation nor do they feel that He is historically
significant or
>> >> >> >> >> > currently relevant. What they see is hypocrisy
which you will have to
>> >> >> >> >> > admit runs rampant in the Church. We Believers
have to help folks
>> >> >> >> >> > understand the moral foundation for being
a prolifer, and try to avoid
>> >> >> >> >> > making flippant statements that are of no
help.
>> >> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> >> > Christ is the very definition of Love. Not
once did he advocate humans
>> >> >> >> >> > use violence against anyone who did not believe
in Him. Remember, it
>> >> >> >> >> > was the necessary violence done to him that
helped redeem us. More
>> >> >> >> >> > than judgement, Christ is about love.
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:
I came not to send
>> >> >> >> >> peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man
at variance against his
>> >> >> >> >> father, and the daughter against her mother, and
the daughter in law
>> >> >> >> >> against her mother in law."
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >I'm not surprised you picked that verse (Mathew 10:21
and on). It is
>> >> >> >> >often quoted out of context. It is no secret that Jesus
was considered
>> >> >> >> >a trouble maker during his time. He made bold and sweeping
statements
>> >> >> >> >against the religious establishment. The verse above
refers to the
>> >> >> >> >divisions that have taken place, separating the Jews
from the Jews
>> >> >> >> >that converted to Christianity, as a result of His teachings.
To
>> >> >> >> >Believe in Christ is to believe that He represents Truth,
which
>> >> >> >> >inherently implies that all else is false. This naturally
split
>> >> >> >> >families up to the point that where conservative Jewish
family members
>> >> >> >> >would persecuted their own converted family members.
Most of this is
>> >> >> >> >historically documented and actually happens in families
today. Think
>> >> >> >> >about it, if your dad or sibling came home and told
you that he/she is
>> >> >> >> >now a Born Again Christian, I'm sure you wouldn't be
too excited.
>> >> >> >> >Wouldn't that create "variance"?
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> Why don't you learn something about the history of Christianity,
and
>> >> >> >> then come back and take another run at that.  There weren't
ANY
>> >> >> >> Christians until Paul got into the act.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I'm sorry, but what do you mean? During Christ's ministry on
earth
>> >> >> >(very much prior to Paul entry into the picture) there were many
who
>> >> >> >believed. First, there were His deciples. In fact Paul oversaw
the
>> >> >> >killing of Stephen, who was stoned to death for his belief in
Christ
>> >> >> >(Acts 6,7,8). Please clarify your statement.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Well, if you would stick your nose back in your bible, you might
find
>> >> >> out that Acts descirbes the period AFTER the death of Jesus.  
>> >> >> 
>> >> >
>> >> >Well, I did what you said and I still think that the 12 deciples (okay
>> >> >11 sans Judas) were Christians and they were alive and following him
>> >> >during his ministry. Before you lead me off topic, I want to point
>> >> >that I responding to your quote of the Bible. You quoted it out of
>> >> >context and it does not mean what you think it means. Thats all.
>> >> >Christ is about love. He is not the hate monger many think Him to be.
>> >> 
>> >> Looks like your definition of 'Christian' doesn't have a whole hell of
>> >> a lot to do with the beliefs of Christians.
>> >> 
>> >
>> >Is that, or is it that your definition of "Christian" is wrong? You
>> >have based your definition of Christianity on an amalgam of many bits
>> >of misinformation given to you through out the course of your life.
>> >You sound surprised that I don't talk like a fundamentalist. I'm not
>> >about justifying legalism; rather about sharing Truth.
>> 
>> Whose truth?
>
>God's Truth, which is absolute.

Whose God? And by whose perception?